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Posted - Jul 19 2005 :  5:33:29 PM  Show Profile Send n/a a Private Message
Has the Pope Condemned Harry Potter?
by Dr. Jeff Mirus, special to CatholicCulture.org
July 16, 2005

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A LifeSiteNews article from last week, headlined “Pope Opposes Harry Potter Novels”, made it appear that Benedict XVI has read the Potter books and found them dangerous. Given the release a few days later of the sixth novel in J. K. Rowling’s famous series, the timing of the story can only be considered brilliant by those who oppose the Harry Potter phenomenon. This news is already swirling around the Internet.

When contacted by LifeSiteNews, Potter opponent and Catholic novelist Michael O’Brien was quick to state that this judgment “reveals the Holy Father’s depth and wide ranging gifts of spiritual discernment” and that “it is consistent with many of the statements he’s been making since his election to the Chair of Peter, indeed for the past 20 years.” O’Brien concluded that Benedict XVI “is the father of the universal church and we would do well to listen to him.”

Now I’ve made no secret of the fact that I regard the Harry Potter series as a set of rollicking good adventure stories, filled with both humor and moral sense, and in general dangerous to nobody. Of course, there is no telling how a particular individual will respond to any book, and I certainly don’t propose that parents who judge these books potentially dangerous to their children should follow my judgment instead of their own. Indeed, men and women of good will can disagree about Harry Potter.

What Really Happened

But there is less room for disagreement about the abuse of references to papal authority to bolster one’s own point of view. In the present case, there is so much wrong with the LifeSiteNews story and O’Brien’s response to it that both must be faulted for a significant failure of objectivity. I submit the following as a fair summary of the bare facts:


In early 2003, at a conference on the New Age sponsored by the Pontifical Council for Culture, one of the presenters, Peter Fleedwood, made an off-hand remark which led much of the world’s press to report that Pope John Paul II approved of the Harry Potter books.

Immediately afterwards, Cardinal Ratzinger apparently received a letter of complaint about Fleedwood’s remarks from a German woman who also enclosed her book, entitled Harry Potter—Good or Evil?, which argued that the Potter series corrupts the hearts of the young and prevents them from developing a properly ordered sense of good and evil.

On March 7, Cardinal Ratzinger replied to Ms. Kuby in two very brief paragraphs thanking her for the book and remarking “it is good that you enlighten people about Harry Potter, because those are subtle seductions which act unnoticed and by this deeply distort Christianity in the soul, before it can grow properly.” He then suggested that Ms. Kuby “write to Mr. Peter Fleedwood . . . directly and send him your book.”

A little later, Cardinal Ratzinger received a second letter from Ms. Kuby requesting his permission to make his letter public. On May 27, 2003, Cardinal Ratzinger answered with one more very brief paragraph, in which he graciously apologized for his slowness to reply and stated that “I can gladly allow you to refer to my judgment about Harry Potter.”
Now, at what point does private correspondence from Joseph Ratzinger when he was a cardinal become, in any sense, a judgment of Joseph Ratzinger as Pope? Further, at what point in this correspondence do we find a clear and precise statement of any kind, let alone one that is not only consistent with Cardinal Ratzinger’s entire body of work but also an integral part of his message thus far as Pope? Indeed, at what point does anything in this correspondence remotely suggest that Cardinal Ratzinger had even read any of the Harry Potter books? Finally at what point do these letters necessarily go so much as one step beyond ordinary graciousness and encouragement to a well-meaning author who was attempting to do good?

What Does This Really Mean?

An interpretation at least just as likely—and I believe far more likely—is that Cardinal Ratzinger was in the habit of giving kindly replies to authors who sent him books. He saw that Ms. Kuby had advanced a number of pious arguments about certain problems she claimed to find in the Potter books and, taking these at face value, he replied that her work was valuable in alerting the public to this sort of problem. At the same time, as this was very likely nothing more than a gracious reply, he avoided giving the least hint that he too had read the books and found them wanting, or that he agreed that the problems Ms. Kuby identified were actually characteristic of J. K. Rowling’s work. I suggest that any good and intelligent Church official, if he had not read the Potter books, would have responded in precisely this way.

I also note that Cardinal Ratzinger refrained from any specific reference by which anyone could possibly know what he meant by those “subtle seductions”. In context, this would appear to be an encouraging reference to the seductions identified by Ms. Kuby, without any judgment on Cardinal Ratzinger’s part that these seductions were actually present in the Potter books. In any case, just as any of us would do in writing a similar reply in a similar circumstance, he closed by stating that Ms. Kuby really should send her material directly to the man about whom she was complaining. In other words, his main purpose was not to make a judgment but to redirect the author’s ardor to the correct department.

The attempt to broker this correspondence into a profound and even magisterial pronouncement is unworthy of both LifeSiteNews and Michael O’Brien, who has much better claims to fame than his opposition to Harry Potter. First, the letters don’t necessarily say anything to the purpose. Second, even if they did, they would still be the private correspondence of a cardinal, worthy of interest certainly, but of no more ultimate value than a well-informed parental judgment.

To make of them anything more is to violate the rules of evidence, and to misuse the authority of the Church to favor one’s own cause

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Posted - Jul 20 2005 :  5:14:02 PM  Show Profile Send n/a a Private Message
So Then, What's the Verdict on Harry Potter?
Author: Archbishop Charles Chaput
Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2005



A friend, his wife and youngest child recently saw Harry Potter and the
Sorcerer's Stone. Both adults are well-informed and serious about their
faith, so I was interested in their reactions. I've already received dozens
of letters and e-mails from parents wondering if this movie is suitable for
their children.

The friend and his wife - who have not read the Potter books - came back
baffled at criticism the film has received from some Christian quarters.
They found it to be a terrific fantasy yarn that kept them thoroughly
entertained for two hours. They then went home, had dinner and got back to
the routine concerns of their lives. None of them, including their child,
began tinkering with magic. None of them, including their child, developed
an unhealthy attachment to Ouija boards. (How do the parents know that about
their child? They do what parents are supposed to do: they keep watch.)

My initial reaction to the first Harry Potter book was much the same. I read
it on a plane after another couple of friends had complained about it. I
enjoyed it. It struck me as a better than average children's fantasy - but
of course, I don't have children. If I did have children in today's culture,
I might very well have found it more troubling.

I think people's uneasiness about Harry Potter comes from the same roots as
our uneasiness about Halloween. When the spirit of American culture was
overwhelmingly Christian, Halloween played its role in the drama of
salvation - a night of tricks, treats and symbolic confusion overcome by the
dawn of All Saints Day. Forty years ago, Halloween could be enjoyed as
harmless fun. Many good parents still see it that way with no ill effects.

But times have changed. The background noise of our daily lives has a
different tone. Today's moral environment is much more consciously
non-Christian. The popularity of a television series like Buffy the Vampire
Slayer may be ridiculous, but it's not insignificant. As Chesterton once
said, when we stop believing in God, we don't believe in "nothing" - we
believe in anything.

Human culture is never value-neutral. Our music, art, books, politics,
economy, architecture and films all express who we are. They're a window on
our soul. If demons and monsters populate our video games, they didn't get
there by accident. We let them in, and we let them stay. Therefore, it's
more important than ever for parents to scrutinize what their children read,
watch, listen to and play. The trick as a parent, I suspect, is to find the
right recipe of vigilance mixed with humor and common sense.

So what's the verdict on Harry Potter? That's a matter for parents, not
bishops, to decide. I think Harry Potter can be happily enjoyed as a
children's fantasy movie. Nothing in the film attacks the Christian faith,
and good does win out over evil. At the same time, unfortunately, characters
in the Potter books do sometimes accomplish good things by doing bad things,
like lying.

In other words, J.K. Rowling is a very different author from C.S. Lewis or
J.R.R. Tolkien. If you're looking for Christian allegory, Harry Potter isn't
it. Magic and sorcery can be harmless if we understand them simply as
story-telling superstition. If we start believing in them, if we develop an
abnormal interest in them, we quickly get into trouble. The Church rejects
witchcraft for a very good reason. The devil is not a myth.

Parents who foster an active Christian home for their children probably have
little to worry about from a film like Harry Potter. Parents who don't have
a lot more to worry about than just this film. The Church teaches that
parents are the primary educators of their children for a good reason. They
know - or should know - their children better than anyone else. With Harry
Potter, as with so much else, parents are the first and best judge.

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Posted - Jul 21 2005 :  11:38:27 PM  Show Profile Send n/a a Private Message
Breaking news from the front lines...
What's up with Harry Potter?
Consider these words.
From the chief exorcist of Rome, Fr. Gabriele Amorth from his book, "An Exorcist Tells His Story". "I can state that the number of those who are affected by the evil one has greatly increased. The first factor that influences the increase of evil influences is Western consumerism. The majority of people have lost their faith do to a materialistic and hedonistic lifestyle." Father Gabriele goes on to say... "it is a well-known fact that where religion regresses, superstition progresses. We can see the proliferation, especially among the young, of spiritism, witchcraft, and the occult."

Speaking about television, books, music and movies he writes... "I was able personally to verify how great is the influence of these tools of Satan on the young. It is unbelievable how widespread are witchcraft and spiritism, in all their forms, In middle and high school. This evil is everywhere, even in small towns. (pp. 53,54)

"Sorcery is also the most frequent cause that we encounter in those who are struck by possession or other evil influences." (p. 57)

"...there are no such things as "white" and "black" magic; there is only black magic. Every form of magic is practiced with recourse to Satan." (p. 60)

"Scripture warns us that witchcraft is one of the most common means used by the devil to bind men to himself and to dehumanize them. Directly or indirectly, witchcraft is a cult of Satan." (p. 143)

"Magic is always tied to divination." (p. 148)

"Black magic, or witchcraft, or satanic rites... Whoever devotes himself to these practices becomes a servant of Satan through his own fault. Scripture very decisively forbids these practices because they are a rejection of God and a turning toward Satan." "Do not turn to mediums or wizards; do not seek them out to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God" (Lev 19:31)

Now ...Read On!!

Well here we go again folks. Another craze. Another phase. And this time it's a doozy! This one comes complete with wizards, witchcraft, ghosts and many ideas about the supernatural realm. And this one is aimed right at our children. Unfortunately though, many adults have bought the big lie as well.

It is probably safe to say that most of our present society is familiar with the Harry Potter craze. If you are someone who knows little or nothing about Harry Potter then here is a short summarization to get you up to speed.

Harry Potter is a wizard. He discovers this on his eleventh birthday when he is invited to attend a school for young witches and wizards. From here Harry begins an amazing journey through a life filled with magic, witches, trolls, spells and potions. To many this appears to be a cute story about a harmless boy who goes from a rough life, where his parents were murdered by an evil wizard, to being one of the most famous wizards around. Many would say there is no danger. Many say that this poses no problem for the minds and souls of our young. I suggest otherwise. I think we have a bigger problem on our hands concerning both children and adults and unfortunately it goes deeper than Mr. Potter.

I first want to say that I am troubled to find out that so many people have absolutely no problem with this. I believe that the problems concerning Harry are found on a number of levels.

To start with, in the first few chapters alone of the first book there are at least six references to stupid: "stupid new fashion - he was being stupid - stupid people - big and stupid - stupidest of the lot", and "Don't be stupid." You will also find a few references to fat: Dudley was very fat - his thick, fat head - on his fat wrist." You also might want to know that the phrase, "no damn letters today" is also be found in the pages of this piece of children's literature. Now I realize that right about now some of you reading this may be wondering if I really counted. Yes! ... I did! ... Why? ... To point something out! Our society has declined in our day and age to the point of little concern for what our children are putting into their minds. In fact there are many parents, teachers and even leaders of church groups who are handing this over to our young on a silver platter. I have yet to find even one parent or teacher who desires, likes or encourages children to use vocabulary as was mentioned above. Maybe we should look at this ... Ephesians 4:29 "No foul language should come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for needed edification, that it may impart grace to those who hear." We are to use our words in ways that will build others up for the glory of God. Always! Why in the world would we encourage our children to entertain themselves with reading that clearly gives them a message that this kind of talk is acceptable? And to a child, something as attractive as the adventures of Harry Potter is most definitely going to be a powerful influence.

Now one of the most common arguments that I have heard is, "But at least it's getting the children to read."

But what is it getting them to read and what might it be doing to the most important part of your child? Is it worth the risk of infecting them with ideas of magic and witchcraft? I encourage you to reread the opening quotes in this article.

The basis for the Harry Potter story is about a young boy who is a wizard. And he is the hero of this series. He practices witchcraft and is known to be disobedient. But all in the name of doing good. There are a number of problems with this. Consider the first commandment. "I am the Lord your God. Have no false gods before me!" Let me insert a quote here from the "Catechism of the Catholic Church." (CCC) From paragraphs: 2115-2117. These deal with sins against the first commandment. The heading above 2115 is "Divination and Magic" "All forms of divination are to be rejected" paragraph 2116. "All practices of magic or sorcery, ...are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. ...Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the church for her part warns the faithful against it." 2117. If that isn't enough then look at the root of this teaching. Deuteronomy 18:10-12. Or how about Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, ...I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Isn't it degrading enough that we are giving our children literature with references to stupid, fat and damn, in it, and it's being called "good" literature. But on top of that they’re getting the idea that magic or witchcraft is a positive thing. We need to realize that for many this is what is understood to be the supernatural world. There are an awful lot of children and adults for that matter, who do not know the truth of the supernatural world. They do not know God. They do not know what offends God. They do not know what builds a relationship with God. Some don't even care if they do offend God or if they have a relationship with God!

In this present day and age there are many who have very little or no understanding of the teachings of our Lord. Do you realize that all around this country alone many Catholics don't even know the difference between mortal and venial sin. Do you? Does your child? Countless, poor souls do not even know the three conditions necessary for something to be a mortal sin! (paragraphs 1857-1860 CCC) This should be taken very seriously. This has to do with our salvation as well as the salvation of our children. Over and over again, all over this great land of ours I have traveled and I have asked basic questions . Questions that you hope any Christian who claims to know and love God would answer with enthusiasm, appreciation and understanding.

Questions such as: Who wants to go to heaven? Who wants to be holy? Who wants to be a saint? By the way, most all say they want to go to heaven. Half or less say they want to be holy. And barely anyone says they want to be a saint. Now if this isn't making sense to you then let me explain. If we are to get to heaven we have to be holy. Christ tells us to be perfect as his Father is perfect. Mt 5:48. Or read 1 Peter 1:15,16 "but, as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct, for it is written, "Be holy because I am holy." God wants us to be holy! When someone enters into heaven then they are a saint. They have reached an eternal state of perfection. Sadly many are not taught this. Sadly many parents do not know this nor do they make this their primary goal in life. It is easy to think that we will simply trickle into heaven as long as we are not too awfully bad here on earth. God does not accept mediocrity.

Consider this. Do you know what the most powerful prayer on earth is? It is the HOLY SACRIFICE OF THE MASS! The holy mass is the sacrifice of Christ on Calvary. Many do not even know that this is a prayer. At each and every mass there are countless angels that descend down around the altar at the moment of consecration. Do you or your children know what happens at that moment of consecration? The bread and wine change 100% into the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ! Most of the young people that I speak to around the country DO ...NOT ...KNOW ...THIS! But many of them are learning about magic and witchcraft from things such as Harry Potter.

I realize that to some this may seem a bit extreme, but consider what our Lord says is necessary for us to do if we wish to enter into everlasting life. This is in Mt 19:16,17. Jesus tells us that to enter into everlasting life we need to keep the commandments. Do you know them? Do your children know them? I mean really know them. Are we being faithful to God with what He tells us in Joshua 1:7-9.

Let's take this thought process one step further. Currently in America and throughout other parts of the world there is a rise in occult practices. More teens have turned to witchcraft and new age practices. There has been a rise in the activity of covens, even in high schools. A coven is the gathering of witches. And to really burst your Harry Potter bubble with a little bit of reality be aware that on some of these Harry Potter web sites there are people communicating back and forth on message boards about there experiences with witchcraft. Need I tell you that there is information out there in this world of ours that teaches the young and old alike to be witches. The thought among some is that as long as you are a "good" witch then it must be okay.

Why would you take the chance of introducing magic or witchcraft into the lives of your children? What happens when your child comes home one day and tells you that they have found a new friend? This friend claims to be a wizard or witch. This friend has invited your child to a little get together of friends. And some of these friends claim to be wizards and witches too. What are you going to say? If they have been into Harry Potter or the many TV. shows, movies and games dealing with magic and witchcraft then you have already shown them that there is nothing wrong with this paganistic belief. What will you say now if up to now you have kept your mouth shut and/or even condoned these ideas?

We need to understand that what we entertain ourselves with affects our spiritual development. Unfortunately there are quite a few people who don't care. But if you are giving this type of hyped up so called "good literature" to your children then you are investing something into there lives and yours, that has the potential to be very, very destructive. Possibly, eternally destructive!

Are your children armed with the weaponry of God? Do they or you know of the sacraments, prayer, the rosary, the saints? Do you and they know about sacramentals, the word of God or of love? True love of God! How can we expect to stand in the midst of temptation, of any sort, without these most powerful weapons?

Children often times are encouraged to read Harry Potter or some other contradictory to God literature, more than they are to read the lives of the saints. If you want to give them real mystery and intrigue. If you want them to be fascinated with the mystical and the supernatural then lead them to the scriptures. To the lives of the saints. Read the life of St. Jean Vianney. Now there are amazing stories of the power between good and evil. He dealt personally with the devil for more than 30 years! Or St. Don Bosco. He was given countless supernatural dreams. And these are of the truth of God! If the lives of these saints and more would fill the minds of young and old alike then holiness would be sought after with fire and conviction. It must be understood that what we parents, teachers, adults in general, are convicted of is most likely what our children will be convicted of. And when I say convicted I mean that it flows through us like the blood in our veins. And what we are supposed to be convicted of is love for God and His Church!

What do you want to invest into the minds of your children? What do you want to invest into your own mind? Is it that which pleases and serves God? Now if one has a solid understanding of the faith. If they know the truth of salvation and the teachings of the church. If they truly love God. then these things may not be as much of a danger to them. But my question is this. If one has all these things, especially love for God, then why would they want to bother with anything that contradicts God? Wouldn't they want to fill their minds and souls only with that which builds up holiness and the truth of God? If a man truly loves his wife then he isn't going to go near those things that offend her even in the slightest way! That builds up the holiness of their marriage!

There has been such a decline in our modern culture with regards to our entertainment and education. We are suffering in so many areas. There are things that we see, hear and read today that 30 or 40 years ago would have been unheard of. There are some that would think that this is nothing to be concerned about. They will say that society has progressed to a new level of enlightenment. That is a sign of how desensitized we have become.

It wasn't too many years ago that abortion was illegal. Now it's legal. Now there is a fight to make assisted suicide the law of the land. There was a time when contraception was illegal. Now it's being given out in schools all across the country and in other parts of the world! There was a time, not too long ago when homosexual lifestyles were understood to be immoral. Now there is a tremendous push in the media and in schools to “educate” our children as to the acceptance of “alternative” (homosexual) lifestyles. Wake up people and smell the burning coals of the wide road. And don't be surprised when the schools start teaching, as part of their curriculum, new age, occult practices and witchcraft! Did you know that some universities are already teaching pornography classes? We have been desensitized. And if you think that this is just going to go away on it’s own then you are living in some kind of a box on some kind of a deserted island with some kind of a blindfold over your eyes.

Protect your mind and your soul. Protect the minds and souls of your children. Speak out about this where you can! And if you have been given the responsibility to help shape the minds and souls of children, such as a parent or teacher, then take that seriously. You and I will stand before God one day and we will have to give an account of how and what we taught those children! Wouldn't it be fantastic if we could stand with a clear conscience, that we did all that we could to encourage truth and holiness in all ways.

For the sake of your child's soul and for the sake of your soul, I encourage you to get rid of Harry Potter and anything else that undermines the dignity and beauty of what we are created to be. And we are created by God to be saints.

"Fight the good fight for love of our Blessed Lord and for the salvation of souls!"

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Posted - Jan 16 2008 :  5:09:11 PM  Show Profile Send BARBAQUED a Private Message
Satan has been described as one of God’s most beautiful creations. What better way to make an intrinsic evil more acceptable then by making it a beautiful harmless children’s story. There is nothing beautiful about the occult. Satan is a liar, a thief and a murderer. Do you want your children to use his followers as role models?
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Posted - Jan 19 2008 :  01:12:26 AM  Show Profile Send Antonio A a Private Message
Barbaqued,

"Satan has been described as one of God’s most beautiful creations. What better way to make an intrinsic evil more acceptable then by making it a beautiful harmless children’s story. There is nothing beautiful about the occult. Satan is a liar, a thief and a murderer. Do you want your children to use his followers as role models?"

Did you read Dr. Mirus and Archbishop Chaput on this subject, because if I'm not misreading their conclusions, they don't seem to be saying the same thing you are saying about the Harry Potter phenomena.

Antonio A. Obregón

Edited by - Antonio A on Jan 19 2008 01:13:22 AM
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My opinion: I think our culture (USA) is so insidious in its evil and so impossible to completely avoid that parents have to steer their children to the good writers and books and entertainments and away from the bad and even the mediocre ones. The Harry Potter series is a waste of precious time.
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Posted - Jan 22 2008 :  10:26:51 PM  Show Profile Send Antonio A a Private Message
JRJ,

"The Harry Potter series is a waste of precious time."

I beg to differ. I never read the books but I enjoyed the movies and see them as nothing but pure entertainment. Somehow I never wanted a magic wand to make my students disappear!

Antonio A. Obregón

Edited by - Antonio A on Jan 22 2008 10:27:28 PM
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Harry Potter is about as innocent as the Polar Bears in the Golden Compass.
We’re talking about taking something evil, putting pretty makeup on it and calling it good.
Just like the movie Pretty woman glorifies being a prostitute.
Just like a whitewashed sepulcher. Inside it is rotten.
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Antonio:
Harry Potter makes witches and sorcerers acceptable.
Are telling me witches and sorcerers are acceptable?
Or maybe you don’t think they exist?
Maybe they’re just cute imaginary beings like the devil on the Underwood can.

The reality is they do exist and their master is Satan. Would you like to have tea party with them? I’ll arrange a ticket out here for you. Be careful of the occult it is real.
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quote:
Originally posted by Antonio A#13;#10;
JRJ,#13;#10;#13;#10; "The Harry Potter series is a waste of precious time."#13;#10;#13;#10;I beg to differ. I never read the books but I enjoyed the movies and see them as nothing but pure entertainment. Somehow I never wanted a magic wand to make my students disappear!#13;#10;#13;#10;Antonio A. Obregón#13;#10;
I wasn't specific: A waste of time for children. And poorly-catechized adults.
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Posted - Jan 24 2008 :  2:19:01 PM  Show Profile Send BARBAQUED a Private Message
Ok, put another way, who would you want your children to emulate?
Take your daughter to a Disney movie and she will want to be a Princess.
Take her to a HP movie and she will want to be witch, maybe she will investigate the Wicken Society. When I was a kid my mom would freak if we watched the Three Stooges, now we got Bart! Do you think it is a coincidence how children act rudely to their parents and what they watch on T.V.?
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Hi BARBAQUED and JRJ,

"Harry Potter is about as innocent as the Polar Bears in the Golden Compass.
We’re talking about taking something evil, putting pretty makeup on it and calling it good.
Just like the movie Pretty woman glorifies being a prostitute.
Just like a whitewashed sepulcher. Inside it is rotten."

I find the Society of Jesus to be more dangerous to the faith than all the Harry Potter series and the Golden Compass put together. At least these movies are not "pretending" to be Christian in any way, shape, or manner. Hollywood, with all its violent and sexual movies is more a threat to the faith and family than movies that simply entertain the imagination. When was the last time you heard of a Christian child imitating Harry Potter's powers or wanting to become a wizard? Yet, millions of Christian children have been exposed to the books and the movies with no discernible negative side effects.

Antonio A. Obregón

Edited by - Antonio A on Jan 26 2008 4:47:24 PM
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Antonio:

In the natural world there are many topics and activities considered grey areas.
Should we read horoscope, is it ok to see a fortune teller, are all witches evil, can we read pornography, should we watch T.V. shows depicting a gay lifestyle, should we vote for pro-choice candidates. These are all devices used by Satan to temp us. The fact is this, it’s not about us at all, and it is all about Jesus Christ. We are just soldiers, there are no gray areas. You are for Christ or you are not. You cannot have it both ways.
Mark 9:40 "For he who is not against us is for us.
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Hi BARBAQUED,

"Antonio:

In the natural world there are many topics and activities considered grey areas."

True.

"Should we read horoscope, is it ok to see a fortune teller, are all witches evil, can we read pornography, should we watch T.V. shows depicting a gay lifestyle, should we vote for pro-choice candidates."

Let's examine each example you gave on its own merits. Last time I checked the Church said nothing about using horoscopes as a form of entertainment. However, if taken seriously, the Church objects to horoscopes, particularly people relying on them rather than on God. My understanding is that no believer should ever consult a fortune teller. Not all witches are evil but certainly witchcraft conflicts with our Catholic faith. Pornography is out because it is the objectification of the human person. A Christian can't speak of "purity of mind" at the same time that pornography is entertained in one's mind. We can watch anything we like but not everything that we can watch is good for our spiritual health. If given a clear choice one can't vote for a pro-choice candidate but if one has to make a choice between Mrs. Clinton and McCain, one votes for the lesser of the two evils. I personally would prefer to vote for Romney.

"These are all devices used by Satan to temp us."

True, but don't we say during the Our Father "and lead us not into temptation?" Isn't God's grace more powerful than the snares of the Devil?

"The fact is this, it’s not about us at all, and it is all about Jesus Christ. We are just soldiers, there are no gray areas."

"there are no gray areas?" That's not what you stated at the beginning of this message. In the "natural world," in fact, there are lots of gray areas in life and the Church helps us sort them out so we can make more clear judgments.

You are for Christ or you are not. You cannot have it both ways.
Mark 9:40 "For he who is not against us is for us.

Are you implying that the millions of Christians who have seen the "Harry Potter" movies or have read the books are not for Christ? If that were true, don't you think both John Paul II and Benedict XVI would have announced to the Catholic world that we were strictly forbidden to watch the movies lest such movies and books pollute our spiritual life?

Antonio A. Obregón
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Antonio:
That's not what you stated at the beginning of this message. In the "natural world," in fact, there are lots of gray areas in life and the Church helps us sort them out so we can make more clear judgments.

Gray areas exist in the minds of people living in the natural world. Lies are not gray.

Are you implying that the millions of Christians who have seen the "Harry Potter" movies or have read the books are not for Christ? If that were true, don't you think both John Paul II and Benedict XVI would have announced to the Catholic world that we were strictly forbidden to watch the movies lest such movies and books pollute our spiritual life?

We should rely on the Spirit within us for discernment, not just on what the Pope says is a sin. GIGO

True, but don't we say during the Our Father "and lead us not into temptation?" Isn't God's grace more powerful than the snares of the Devil?

Satan works to temp even the most Holy person, probably more.
He doesn’t need to temp non-combatants they are already out of the battle.

Everyone needs to choose. The Holy Spirit will guide you if you listen.
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Is 57:3 Come here to be judged, you sinners! You are no better than sorcerers, adulterers, and prostitutes. 4 Who are you making fun of? Who are liars jeering at? (GNT)

I guess this pretty much sums up about how God thinks of sorcerers. God compares them to adulterers and prostitutes. Keeping with the movie theme, Harry Potter is indoctrination, it get’s kids and parents to think, “Oh being sorcerers is harmless fun”. Then we can watch Pretty Woman, “Oh being a prostitute is pretty glamorous”. Then when we get married we can be unfaithful because nobody is faithful anymore. As a matter of fact why get married? All the movie stars have children out of wedlock. But then again why have children at all. Let’s just have sex and kill the babies later.

IS 57:5 You worship the fertility gods by having sex under those sacred trees of yours. You offer your children as sacrifices in the rocky caves near streambeds. (GNT)

See it’s the same old story, only with better graphics.
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