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BARBAQUED
Mary's Servant
USA
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 Posted - Dec 13 2007 : 8:35:43 PM
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There are many times I feel like we are in the last days. As we fight against evil we must put on the armor of God and use His sword to part marrow from bone. When we encounter evil as in a person who is oppressed by evil spirits, should we pray for deliverance?
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Raoul
Formation
United Arab Emirates
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Posted - Dec 16 2007 : 10:50:05 PM
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Originally posted by BARBAQUED
There are many times I feel like we are in the last days. As we fight against evil we must put on the armor of God and use His sword to part marrow from bone. When we encounter evil as in a person who is oppressed by evil spirits, should we pray for deliverance?
First , I thank Stormy for starting this Topic page on request , I am much Obliged , thank you very much.
Good Question John , Just last night I was watching a rerun of a Dr.Phil Show , his guest was non denominational Pastor who specialises in "exorcism" or spritual deliverance. The pastors theories on how people can get diabolicaly possesed was so far fetched and out of whack that I found it hard to believe that anyone with an iota of christian ( not just catholic ) theological knowledge would have credited him with any curative powers, the people he was performing the exorcisms on ( at least the ones in his clips )were nothing but hysterical , in disgust I changed channels.
To answer your question , YES - of course we should pray for people who are possesed and oppressed by the evil one. there are three main ways in which people get Diabolically possesed , they are -
1) Through Indulging in witchcraft , the occult and satan worship.
2) By means of a spell cast by occultists and satan worshippers.
3) As an act of God - For his greater glory.
Praying for people who are possesed due to the first reason is a tricky one , though your prayers are heard and applied it would be more or less inefectual unless the person possesed Renownces satan all his works and deeds and accepts Jesus whole heartedly. That said , the best way to pray for anyone who is possesed is by fasting and praying after confession and holy communion , it is very effective.
I myself have been a victim of a form of Diabolic torment ( Not possesion ) for many years and have had to find my own answers . Thankfully and only by the grace of God I have come a long way in deliverance.
To understand what I mean by " As an act of God for his greater glory " , go here and read the most perculiar diabolical possesion of Antoine Gay - http://www.ewtn.com/library/NEWAGE/EVIDSATN.htm
Raoul
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Edited by - Raoul on Dec 16 2007 10:57:22 PM |
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Antonio A
Maryhead
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Posted - Dec 16 2007 : 11:01:01 PM
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BARBAQUED,
"There are many times I feel like we are in the last days. As we fight against evil we must put on the armor of God and use His sword to part marrow from bone. When we encounter evil as in a person who is oppressed by evil spirits, should we pray for deliverance?"
I'm trying to understand your question better. I believe there are persons who are evil because they have chosen evil over good, while others are not evil at all, but because of certain circumstances, have been possessed by either evil spirits or the Devil himself. Now, to which type of case are you referring to?
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BARBAQUED
Mary's Servant
USA
454 Posts |
Posted - Dec 17 2007 : 5:12:37 PM
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| Antonio: I am speaking specifically about people through no fault of their own (as in occult activity) have been oppressed by some form of an evil spirit. An example of this would be the spirit of suicide. Frequently people oppressed by this spirit suffer depression and thoughts of suicide. These spirits do not actually posses the person; rather they cause oppression through circumstance and suggestion. Actual exorcism for persons truly possessed is a rite reserved for specific appointed priests in the church. |
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Antonio A
Maryhead
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Posted - Dec 17 2007 : 10:27:40 PM
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Hi BARBAQUED,
"Antonio: I am speaking specifically about people through no fault of their own (as in occult activity) have been oppressed by some form of an evil spirit."
For people in that situation I would pray and ask others to pray with me for them.
"An example of this would be the spirit of suicide. Frequently people oppressed by this spirit suffer depression and thoughts of suicide. These spirits do not actually posses the person; rather they cause oppression through circumstance and suggestion."
A student of mine recently committed suicide. I ask myself, "was it something provoked by psychological problems or was it provoked by evil spirits?" We will never know, but somehow I wished I had known the "cause" of his misery to pray for him. Now, I'm praying to Our Lord to have mercy on him. BTW, do pray for my student. He was not even 19 years of age. His name was Colin.
"Actual exorcism for persons truly possessed is a rite reserved for specific appointed priests in the church."
Yes, I know.
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BARBAQUED
Mary's Servant
USA
454 Posts |
Posted - Dec 18 2007 : 1:13:41 PM
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Antonio:
Suicide is so painful, I will pray for Colin today. Our group has had to pray against suicide many times. This despicable evil spirit can affect whole communities. We need the faithful to pray an umbrella of protection from evil over their community as well as their own parish and priests. At this moment there is a spirit of suicide oppressing our returning troops. Pray for them. |
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Antonio A
Maryhead
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Posted - Dec 18 2007 : 4:40:47 PM
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BARBAQUED,
"Antonio:
Suicide is so painful, I will pray for Colin today. Our group has had to pray against suicide many times. This despicable evil spirit can affect whole communities. We need the faithful to pray an umbrella of protection from evil over their community as well as their own parish and priests. At this moment there is a spirit of suicide oppressing our returning troops. Pray for them."
If you had known him in life, you would have never guessed he would one day take his own life. How I wish I would have known what was going through his head. I might had been able to dissuade him from committing such a terrible deed. As it is, his poor family is devastated, his friends still can't believe he is gone, and I can't even think of him without crying. In the last days of the semester it was hard for the kids and me to see his empty chair in the classroom. I pray that Our Lord will have mercy on him and I also believe he had no idea of the consequences of his action.
I'm sorry to know our returning troops are having this problem. They've survived so much already.
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Edited by - Antonio A on Dec 18 2007 4:41:45 PM |
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RayL
Mary's Servant
USA
233 Posts |
Posted - Dec 18 2007 : 10:01:35 PM
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Confession of all past occultic activity in one's life should be the beginning of breaking free from satan. It's not enough just to stop doing the occult; you have to push back by confession all occultic activity - horoscopes, ouija boards, cursing people, witchcraft, or whatever. If there is any impurity or illegal drugs in your life, those are also demonic gateways into your body.
Then Holy Communion, Adoration on a regular basis, the prayer to St. Michael, the daily rosary, saying the Our Father (deliver us from the evil one)on a regular basis, and doing good for others are all ways to make satan flee (James 4:7)
No Mary, no Jesus. Know Mary, know Jesus. |
Edited by - RayL on Dec 18 2007 10:02:28 PM |
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Antonio A
Maryhead
825 Posts |
Posted - Dec 26 2007 : 7:18:33 PM
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RayL,
"Confession of all past occultic activity in one's life should be the beginning of breaking free from satan."
What if one does not have to confess to any past occultic activity because it has never happened, yet one is apparently on Satan's hold?
It's not enough just to stop doing the occult; you have to push back by confession all occultic activity - horoscopes, ouija boards, cursing people, witchcraft, or whatever. If there is any impurity or illegal drugs in your life, those are also demonic gateways into your body.
O.K. but what if a person NEVER did that and is still oppressed by same evil spirit? As a matter of fact, some people who have been possessed have been completely innocent.
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RayL
Mary's Servant
USA
233 Posts |
Posted - Dec 26 2007 : 10:54:32 PM
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Obviously, if there was no occultic activity to begin with, then it doesn't have to be confessed. There are other demonic gateways beside the occult, however....Lust, nudity, drugs, anger, cursing, reading your horoscope in the newspaper, etc., are all ways in which the devil can enter a body or a mind. Those things need to be confessed.
No Mary, no Jesus. Know Mary, know Jesus.
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Antonio A
Maryhead
825 Posts |
Posted - Jan 02 2008 : 03:13:21 AM
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Happy New Year RayL,
"Obviously, if there was no occultic activity to begin with, then it doesn't have to be confessed. There are other demonic gateways beside the occult, however....Lust, nudity, drugs, anger, cursing, reading your horoscope in the newspaper, etc., are all ways in which the devil can enter a body or a mind. Those things need to be confessed."
I know it is obvious to you, but for many people this subject is very confusing, particularly in the type of secular world we move in.
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RayL
Mary's Servant
USA
233 Posts |
Posted - Jan 02 2008 : 07:16:12 AM
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Antonio - Then I would recommend they listen to these talks by Father Corapi....
This series of eight spiritual conferences is by far one of the most popular of all of Father Corapi's hundreds of titles. In a world filled with conflict and strife we would do well to remember that "Our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers..." as St. Paul teaches us in Ephesians 6. Fr. Corapi presents this series as a basic course in spiritual warfare. Topics such as the reality of this combat, the sacraments and sacramentals as weapons in the spiritual combat, the angels and souls in purgatory as our allies, the Cross and humility as powerful weapons, and other topics are covered in this powerful series.
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No Mary, no Jesus. Know Mary, know Jesus.
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Antonio A
Maryhead
825 Posts |
Posted - Jan 02 2008 : 6:52:39 PM
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Hi RayL,
"Antonio - Then I would recommend they listen to these talks by Father Corapi...."
I know, the man is excellent. I have heard him at EWTN many times, but even what he says sounds very strange to a secular audience, until they begin to buy into the idea that indeed there is a struggle between the forces of evil and the forces of good. Since it is a battle no one talks about in the media, many feel it does not exist at all. 
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Edited by - Antonio A on Jan 02 2008 6:53:31 PM |
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RayL
Mary's Servant
USA
233 Posts |
Posted - Jan 02 2008 : 7:33:05 PM
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I agree Antonio. To the average Joe Schmo out there, the devil is a fairy tale, like the Easter Bunny.
However, Father Corapi lived a life of sin and debauchery, and almost paid for it with his life. He knows the devil exists from personal experience. His tone of voice drips with believability about the reality of the devil and hell.
I have listened to those tapes 3 or 4 times, and they have made a big difference in my life, especially concerning blessed sacramentals around the house.
No Mary, no Jesus. Know Mary, know Jesus.
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