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Stormy
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 Posted - Mar 20 2008 : 09:03:25 AM
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Originally posted by BARBAQUED
When the Lord said this is my body take it and eat it, in memory of me, He didn’t place on the tongue of His disciples He passed it to them. Taken either by the hand or by the mouth the Eucharist is Christ. If we truly believe it then ask yourself why we aren’t all daily communicants. In many parishes an amazing opportunity exists in adoration. He is there.
Jesus gave His Body and Blood to His Apostles ....Who were Ordained that very night. Priests may handle our Lord with there hands.
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Going to Communion every day for so many years! Anybody else would be a saint by now, you told me, and I ... I'm always the same! Son, I replied, keep up your daily Communion, and think: what would I be if I had not gone?
-- St. Josemaria Escriva: The Way
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Posted - Mar 22 2008 : 11:31:59 PM
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My problem with mass today is that there are so many different versions. I have been in 4 churches over the last 3 weeks where each service was different enough that an uninitaited person would not have known they were all the same faith.
For example there are strict rules laid down by the vatican on the ingredients for the host. Under church rules, if the host does not meet these requirements, transubstantiation does not take place. I know for sure that 2 did not comply, one I am not sure of, and 1 was using hosts in compliance.
All churches are supposed to follow exactly the same guidelines for terminology, standing, kneeling etc. but there are so many variations, it is hard to tell which is which.
Thr idea of conformity is to make the mass understandable to all regardless of language, as the words can be followed in a book easily if the rest of the format is standard.
Antonio, I agree and wait for the day the new priests from the JPii era take over. I already see it starting to happen, and the reverence they show in everything they do in church is a delight
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JohnF
Mary's Servant
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Posted - Mar 23 2008 : 5:00:26 PM
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In the days of old, as a wee child, I knelt and received the Host on my tongue.
It felt reverent, and I miss kneeling.
However, pre-Vatican II, we were not permitted to drink from the Chalice.
Nowadays, we receive the Body and the Blood.
If they go back to giving us the Host on the tongue, I hope they won't take away the Chalice.
John
We must not doubt for even a moment,
But have trust in the power of God's mercy.
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DeniseLawson
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Posted - Mar 24 2008 : 12:13:22 PM
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Originally posted by Pro-life Sarah
Good point. But other than the falters from humaness, those Apostles really believed that Jesus is Lord - they gave Him the time and RESPECT he deserves. Too many don't do that here and now....and receiving on the hands has led to more disrespect as the outward sign of reverance is removed, the inner hearts and habits of many respond in the same way....also human nature....
Take Care and God Bless,
Sarah
Please say one Hail Mary a day for the intentions all forum members
I think you hit the nail square on the head when you said too many don't give Him the respect and the time He deserves, but I disagree completely with the reason. How we receive communion - on the hand or on the tongue - is not the root of the problem. The root of the problem is that people are not properly taught, or catechized, plain and simple, and it has gotten worse since Vatican II for any number of reasons. While reading up on the traditions of receiving in the hand or receiving on the tongue, I noticed that we were not restricted to the latter until the Middle Ages, and at that point it was to correct abuses. Basically, that was how the Church chose to deal with abuses - not by an emphasis on proper catechesis but by emphasis on restrictions. While restricting actions may be the fastest way to correct a problem, without proper teaching, it is not always the best way of correction.
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Stormy
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Posted - Mar 24 2008 : 1:10:29 PM
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Originally posted by JohnF
In the days of old, as a wee child, I knelt and received the Host on my tongue.
It felt reverent, and I miss kneeling.
However, pre-Vatican II, we were not permitted to drink from the Chalice.
Nowadays, we receive the Body and the Blood.
If they go back to giving us the Host on the tongue, I hope they won't take away the Chalice.
John
We must not doubt for even a moment,
But have trust in the power of God's mercy.
-Saint Faustina
I hope not either ...I think things like the lay receiving the Precious Blood are the types of changes that were originally envisioned from Vat ll.
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Going to Communion every day for so many years! Anybody else would be a saint by now, you told me, and I ... I'm always the same! Son, I replied, keep up your daily Communion, and think: what would I be if I had not gone?
-- St. Josemaria Escriva: The Way
Come Holy Spirit ...Come by the means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved Spouse. |
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Stormy
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Posted - Mar 24 2008 : 1:12:19 PM
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Originally posted by Pro-life Sarah
Good point. But other than the falters from humaness, those Apostles really believed that Jesus is Lord - they gave Him the time and RESPECT he deserves. Too many don't do that here and now....and receiving on the hands has led to more disrespect as the outward sign of reverance is removed, the inner hearts and habits of many respond in the same way....also human nature....
Take Care and God Bless,
Sarah
Please say one Hail Mary a day for the intentions all forum members
Very well said Sarah
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Going to Communion every day for so many years! Anybody else would be a saint by now, you told me, and I ... I'm always the same! Son, I replied, keep up your daily Communion, and think: what would I be if I had not gone?
-- St. Josemaria Escriva: The Way
Come Holy Spirit ...Come by the means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved Spouse. |
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Pro-life Sarah
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Posted - Mar 24 2008 : 8:40:03 PM
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How we receive communion - on the hand or on the tongue - is not the root of the problem. The root of the problem is that people are not properly taught, or catechized, plain and simple...
---Ah, but in the reception is the teaching. When things slack and reception on the tongue is no longer a priority, the teaching, and subsequent damage, in my humble opinion (and goodness knows I can be wrong), is already done.
Take Care and God Bless,
Sarah
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DeniseLawson
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Posted - Mar 25 2008 : 03:37:45 AM
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Originally posted by Pro-life Sarah
How we receive communion - on the hand or on the tongue - is not the root of the problem. The root of the problem is that people are not properly taught, or catechized, plain and simple...
---Ah, but in the reception is the teaching. When things slack and reception on the tongue is no longer a priority, the teaching, and subsequent damage, in my humble opinion (and goodness knows I can be wrong), is already done.
Take Care and God Bless,
Sarah
Please say one Hail Mary a day for the intentions all forum members
And I guess the emphasis is where we'll have to agree to disagree. While you indicate the form of reception is the root of the problem, I believe wholeheartedly that poor teaching of the faith is the problem. With proper catechesis, one can reverently receive in the hand, just as they can irreverently receive on the tongue with poor catechesis. I don't believe that one is more reverent then the other, because I have seen no conclusive proof to back that up. Since Vatican II, however, there is plenty of conclusive proof that our system of raising up Catholics in the faith if failing miserably. The reportedly increasing number of Catholics who no longer believe in transubstantiation is proof of that alone. Correct catechesis, I believe, will go much further towards reverent reception than forcing folks to receive in one manner or another. The latter would be, I suspect, a mere shortcut that would serve no other purpose than to take the easy way out and mask the bigger problem.
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Pro-life Sarah
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Posted - Mar 25 2008 : 4:27:30 PM
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Oh I don't totally disagree with you...you have a very valid point. Teaching is a problem. But I think the reception itself is a teaching all of it's own and it is bringing forth lessons we don't want. But I can totally see the difference and see your point.
Take Care and God Bless,
Sarah
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DeniseLawson
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Posted - Mar 26 2008 : 01:42:54 AM
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Originally posted by Pro-life Sarah
Oh I don't totally disagree with you...you have a very valid point. Teaching is a problem. But I think the reception itself is a teaching all of it's own and it is bringing forth lessons we don't want. But I can totally see the difference and see your point.
Take Care and God Bless,
Sarah
Please say one Hail Mary a day for the intentions all forum members
Yes, I can see the reception itself being a teaching. It's just a shame that teaching on the proper reception - the necessity of reverence, etc. - seems to be lacking in so many parishes.
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GScheid
Mary's Servant
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Posted - Apr 27 2008 : 8:27:56 PM
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Tablet picks up on Card. Cipriani’s (Lima, Peru) ban of Communion in the hand
CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 11:25 am
I posted on this issue back on 17 April, but The Tablet has it now.
Church in the World
26 April 2008
Peru
Cardinal bans Communion in hand
A Peruvian cardinal has banned the practice of receiving Communion in the hand in his diocese to guard against devaluing the Eucharist, an Italian website has reported.
Opus Dei Cardinal Juan Luis Cipriani Thorne told Petrus: "I maintain that the best way to administer Communion is on the tongue, so much so that in my diocese I have forbidden the host in the hand."
The cardinal, who is Archbishop of Lima and a member of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, said that "the relaxed attitude of many priests" was to blame for a decline in reverence for the Eucharist among the faithful. "In Masses with great attendance, in the past we even found hosts thrown on to the pavement of the church," he added.
A missionary priest working in Lima told The Tablet the ban "would only apply to his jurisdiction of the Archdiocese of Lima". "The remainder of the dioceses around Lima would not go for such a practice," he said.
Oddly, there is no more than that. I suspect there will be editorials to come!
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Edited by - GScheid on Apr 27 2008 8:28:27 PM |
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