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MiriamB
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 Posted - Jun 13 2008 : 2:33:28 PM
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How many of you ladies wear head coverings full time "because of the angels" as Scripture says? How many of you wear a head covering only when you pray or go to Mass?
Blessings,
MiriamB
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Posted - Jun 13 2008 : 8:28:04 PM
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I dont wear head covering when I go to mass, I dont understand what you mean by full time because of the angels, this is the first time I have ever heard a catholic say we must wear head covering full time.
As for only when we pray only Jews wear head covering when they pray
Grace
Grace Mizzi
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Send Oh Lord Holy Apostles into your church“Christ has no body but yours, no hands butyours, no feet but yours.Yours are the eyes through which Christ’scompassion must look upon the world.Yours are the feet with which He is to go about
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MiriamB
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Posted - Jun 13 2008 : 10:10:28 PM
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Originally posted by Grace
I dont wear head covering when I go to mass, I dont understand what you mean by full time because of the angels, this is the first time I have ever heard a catholic say we must wear head covering full time.
As for only when we pray only Jews wear head covering when they pray
Grace
I am referring to 1 Corinthians 11 and St. Paul's instructions to women. By the way, I did not say we MUST wear a head covering. I only asked who did wear one.
Blessings,
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Edited by - MiriamB on Jun 13 2008 10:10:56 PM |
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JohnF
Mary's Servant
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Posted - Jun 14 2008 : 02:48:41 AM
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Paul asked, "is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?"
Pre-Vatican II, hair covering was enforced. I remember it well.
But if the bishops say uncovered heads are all right, who are we to argue? |
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MiriamB
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Posted - Jun 14 2008 : 9:16:17 PM
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Originally posted by JohnF
Paul asked, "is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?"
Pre-Vatican II, hair covering was enforced. I remember it well.
But if the bishops say uncovered heads are all right, who are we to argue?
The Bishops have never stated that uncovered is "all right" as far as the Vatican website has searched in it's docs. It was never reversed in Canon Law either.
Still, the original question stands: I was interested in who covers, either full or part-time.
Blessings,
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Posted - Jun 15 2008 : 7:27:28 PM
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Actually Miriam it is the Bishop Conference throughout the world (each country) they make decision for that country.
Most if not all countries The Bishop conference from that country have stated that head doesnt need to be covered when entering a church.
Now in Malta,Italy and Spain they must cover their head when entering a church and also they have to have sleeves to elbows otherwise they are given sleeves to cove the arms.
I would like you to show me where it says in canon law or Catechism of the Catholic Church where it says that woman MUST cover their heads when entering a church or praying.
Grace Mizzi
www.mmponline.org
Send Oh Lord Holy Apostles into your church“Christ has no body but yours, no hands butyours, no feet but yours.Yours are the eyes through which Christ’scompassion must look upon the world.Yours are the feet with which He is to go about
doing good.Yours are the hands with which He is to bless us now.”St. Theresa of Avila |
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MiriamB
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Posted - Jun 15 2008 : 8:16:10 PM
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Originally posted by Grace
Actually Miriam it is the Bishop Conference throughout the world (each country) they make decision for that country.
Most if not all countries The Bishop conference from that country have stated that head doesnt need to be covered when entering a church.
I would be interested in seeing the documents from those conferences. Can you provide the links please?
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Originally posted by Grace
I would like you to show me where it says in canon law or Catechism of the Catholic Church where it says that woman MUST cover their heads when entering a church or praying.
Once again, I NEVER stated that women MUST cover their heads. Grace, you keep saying that I stated women MUST cover their heads (which I NEVER STATED). Below is my original query; as you can see, I have NEVER SAID that women MUST cover their heads.
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How many of you ladies wear head coverings full time "because of the angels" as Scripture says? How many of you wear a head covering only when you pray or go to Mass?
Blessings,
MiriamB |
Edited by - MiriamB on Jun 15 2008 8:23:24 PM |
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Dottie
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Posted - Jul 03 2008 : 02:57:57 AM
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| Before I converted to the Catholic church I homeschooled. I used Mennonite materials and had the wonderful opportunity to live a week with them during a homeschool convention. Anyway I wore a headcovering and it was wonderful. I can honestly say that I was the happiest during those days. When I converted to the Catholic faith (in obedience to my husband) I was so happy at the Latin Mass that I could cover as well as my daughter. But since the Latin mass was so far away our family attended a Catholic church closer to town. Needless to say no one covered and I felt like an outcast. So I stored all my headcovering patterns and whenever I feel sad and want to remember the best times in my life, I visit the headcovering sites. |
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MiriamB
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Posted - Jul 26 2008 : 9:48:50 PM
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Originally posted by Dottie
Before I converted to the Catholic church I homeschooled. I used Mennonite materials and had the wonderful opportunity to live a week with them during a homeschool convention. Anyway I wore a headcovering and it was wonderful. I can honestly say that I was the happiest during those days. When I converted to the Catholic faith (in obedience to my husband) I was so happy at the Latin Mass that I could cover as well as my daughter. But since the Latin mass was so far away our family attended a Catholic church closer to town. Needless to say no one covered and I felt like an outcast. So I stored all my headcovering patterns and whenever I feel sad and want to remember the best times in my life, I visit the headcovering sites.
Dottie, I am seeing more and more head coverings at Mass, even the Novus Ordo Masses. Why not get your veil out and wear it? You never know who else might take courage from you and wear theirs to Mass too.
Blessings,
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Fiona
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Posted - Oct 22 2008 : 09:49:40 AM
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Miriam, I've not been on the site in a while, but I'll answer your question for myself. Right now, I only cover at Mass and when at Adoration, but very recently the reasoning of covering because of the angels has come up over and over. It's something I think I'll investigate. I know there are some Evangelicals who cover full time by using a crocheted bun cover or their version of a chapel veil. I'm not sure as to their reasoning, but it most likely has to do with Corinthians.
Dottie, I've been where you are - being the only one covering at Mass. I started because I really felt God was calling me to, and in submission to Him, I did it, even though I felt uncomfortable, as if I was calling attention to myself. I'm happy to say that since I've been doing this (and I've moved a few times since then), more and more women start coming to Mass wearing veils. If you feel led by God to cover, then go ahead and do it. Just my .02. God bless everyone. |
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Pro-life Sarah
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Posted - Oct 22 2008 : 1:13:59 PM
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I've never worn head covering, but this is exactly how I feel when receiving the Holy Eucharist on the tongue. I so feel it is the right way to receive Our Lord, and resisted it for the longest time because no one else did and the Eucharist Ministers get all confused and don't know what to do. I solved the problem by going in the priest's line every time. Besides, then the girls get blessed too!
Take Care and God Bless,
Sarah
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avila
Postulant
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Posted - Nov 07 2008 : 2:27:11 PM
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I remember wearing a large St. Benedict's cross which I placed on my mother as she was dying.
That cross made me feel that I was covered by Christ, that i was protected. Wearing the chapel veil must have the same spiritual blessing and encourage our closeness to our Lord and His angels.
It sounds like a good idea.
White chapel veils are for the unmarried, black for the married,according to custom in Spain. |
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DeniseLawson
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Posted - Nov 07 2008 : 10:20:03 PM
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Originally posted by MiriamB
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Originally posted by JohnF
Paul asked, "is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?"
Pre-Vatican II, hair covering was enforced. I remember it well.
But if the bishops say uncovered heads are all right, who are we to argue?
The Bishops have never stated that uncovered is "all right" as far as the Vatican website has searched in it's docs. It was never reversed in Canon Law either.
Still, the original question stands: I was interested in who covers, either full or part-time.
Blessings,
MiriamB
I had a hard time finding this one but stumbled across it recently.
From the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith...
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Paul06/p6interi.htm
Declaration On The Question Of Admission Of Women To The Ministerial Priesthood
Inter Insigniores
October 15, 1976
Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
...."Another objection is based upon the transitory character that one claims to see today in some of the prescriptions of Saint Paul concerning women, and upon the difficulties that some aspects of his teaching raise in this regard. But it must be noted that these ordinances, probably inspired by the customs of the period, concern scarcely more than disciplinary practices of minor importance, such as the obligation imposed upon women to wear a veil on their head (1 Cor 11:2-16); such requirements no longer have a normative value.
However, the Apostle's forbidding of women to speak in the assemblies (1 Cor 14:34-35; 1 Ti, 2:12) is of a different nature, and exegetes define its meaning in this way: Paul in no way opposes the right, which he elsewhere recognises as possessed by women, to prophesy in the assembly (1 Cor 11:15); the prohibition solely concerns the official function of teaching in the Christian assembly. For Saint Paul this prescription is bound up with the divine plan of creation (1 Cor 11:7; Gen 2:18-24): it would be difficult to see in it the expression of a cultural fact. Nor should it be forgotten that we owe to Saint Paul one of the most vigorous texts in the New Testament on the fundamental equality of men and women, as children of God in Christ (Gal 3:28). Therefore there is no reason for accusing him of prejudices against women, when we note the trust that he shows towards them and the collaboration that he asks of them in his apostolate. ".....
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