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BARBAQUED
Mary's Servant


USA
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Posted - May 07 2008 :  7:07:45 PM  Show Profile Send BARBAQUED a Private Message
Sola scriptura is the teaching that the Bible is the only inspired and authoritative word of God, is the only source for Christian doctrine, and is accessible to all that is, it is perspicuous and self-interpreting. That the Bible requires no interpretation outside of itself is an idea directly opposed to the teaching of the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Coptic, Anglo-Catholic, and Roman Catholic traditions, which teach that the Bible can be authentically interpreted only by Apostolic Tradition and the Magisterium, (that is the teaching authority), which consists of the Bishops in union with the Pope. Sola scriptura is sometimes called the formal principle of the Reformation, since it is the source and norm of the material principle, sola fide.
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Why are so many Catholics afraid to read the Bible?

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Wendy
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Posted - May 11 2008 :  11:09:21 PM  Show Profile Send Wendy a Private Message
I love what Sr. Francis Clare wrote in her book "We, the Bride." "...I was ready for my first full-blown prayer time on the Cape. Desiring to be led by the Spirit I prayed: 'Holy Spirit, what is the desire of Your heart?' With the swiftness of my next thought the anwer came, 'Enthrone your Bible. Entering into praise and thanksgiving for the presence of the Word. Ask for a Word.'" pg49
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avila
Postulant



USA
81 Posts

Posted - Jun 06 2008 :  02:48:21 AM  Show Profile Send avila a Private Message
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

John calls Jesus here Word

The Word is a living two edged sword
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Ken G
Mary's Servant



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Posted - Jun 06 2008 :  11:49:52 AM  Show Profile Send Ken G a Private Message
Whenever considering the false doctrine of sola scriptura, it is good to start off on the right foot and check out Christ's authority on this earth, His holy Catholic Church. What does the Bride of Christ, Holy Mother Church teach? From the CCC:

76 In keeping with the Lord's command, the Gospel was handed on in two ways:

- orally "by the apostles who handed on, by the spoken word of their preaching, by the example they gave, by the institutions they established, what they themselves had received - whether from the lips of Christ, from his way of life and his works, or whether they had learned it at the prompting of the Holy Spirit";33

- in writing "by those apostles and other men associated with the apostles who, under the inspiration of the same Holy Spirit, committed the message of salvation to writing".34

. . . continued in apostolic succession

77 "In order that the full and living Gospel might always be preserved in the Church the apostles left bishops as their successors. They gave them their own position of teaching authority."35 Indeed, "the apostolic preaching, which is expressed in a special way in the inspired books, was to be preserved in a continuous line of succession until the end of time."36

78 This living transmission, accomplished in the Holy Spirit, is called Tradition, since it is distinct from Sacred Scripture, though closely connected to it. Through Tradition, "the Church, in her doctrine, life and worship, perpetuates and transmits to every generation all that she herself is, all that she believes."37 "The sayings of the holy Fathers are a witness to the life-giving presence of this Tradition, showing how its riches are poured out in the practice and life of the Church, in her belief and her prayer."38

79 The Father's self-communication made through his Word in the Holy Spirit, remains present and active in the Church: "God, who spoke in the past, continues to converse with the Spouse of his beloved Son. And the Holy Spirit, through whom the living voice of the Gospel rings out in the Church - and through her in the world - leads believers to the full truth, and makes the Word of Christ dwell in them in all its richness."39

II. THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN TRADITION AND SACRED SCRIPTURE

One common source. . .

80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal."40 Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".41

. . . two distinct modes of transmission

81 "Sacred Scripture is the speech of God as it is put down in writing under the breath of the Holy Spirit."42

"And [Holy] Tradition transmits in its entirety the Word of God which has been entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit. It transmits it to the successors of the apostles so that, enlightened by the Spirit of truth, they may faithfully preserve, expound and spread it abroad by their preaching."43

82 As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, "does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence."44



So, it's through Tradition and Scripture that we receive the Word. One source, two modes of transmission. And, "[Holy] Tradition transmits in its entirety the Word of God"

The Word of God is not simply black ink on white paper. This idea constitutes a grave error in discernment, a lack of understanding. The Church teaches the fullness of Truth. Don't leave home without it!

In Jesus and Mary,
Ken G
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Pro-life Sarah
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Posted - Jun 06 2008 :  11:00:18 PM  Show Profile Send Pro-life Sarah a Private Message
Not to mention the voice of God that has spoken and continues to speak through all hearts from all times as the Bible is read and God communicates with His children.... In a Divinly unique creation, the Bible offers both communal and personal conversation with God....

Take Care and God Bless,
Sarah

Please say one Hail Mary a day for the intentions all forum members
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stevhep
Mary's Servant



United Kingdom
280 Posts

Posted - Jun 07 2008 :  12:51:54 AM  Show Profile Send stevhep a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by BARBAQUED


Why are so many Catholics afraid to read the Bible?




I'm not sure that they are. Catholics are rightly afraid to read scriptures without the guidance of Holy Church but such guidance is readily available for all who desire it. While such reading is desirable and greatly helpful in quickening ones spiritual life it is not, strictly speaking necessary, after all for many centuries most Christians could not read yet lived rich lives of faith, prayer and service. The Sacraments and the proclamation of the Word by Holy Church attended to closely by the faithful constitute a real and sufficient programme of Christian life, one which would certainly be enriched by reading the Scriptures with the mind of the Church but such reading is a bonus not an indispensable necessity.




Before all things and above all things,
care must be taken of the sick,
so that they will be served as if they were Christ in person;
for He Himself said, "I was sick, and you visited Me" and, "What you did for one of these least ones, you did for Me"

St Benedict
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JohnF
Mary's Servant



USA
428 Posts

Posted - Jun 07 2008 :  01:30:55 AM  Show Profile Send JohnF a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by BARBAQUED


Why are so many Catholics afraid to read the Bible?




I've never met a Catholic who was afraid to read the Bible.

This might interest you:

Ordinary Catholics might not be so adept at quoting chapter and verse, but they do know and use Scripture regularly. It's just that they use it in a different way.

For a Catholic, Scripture is not so much a book to be studied as it is a book to worship with. (Ps. 119.7)

For Catholics the Bible is almost always used in the context of worship.

Did you know that a survey was done to check the amount of Scripture used in the Catholic Mass?

The Catholic service was almost 30% Scripture. When the same writer checked his local Bible-based Evangelical church he was surprised to find the total amount of Scripture read took just 3% of the service.

When Catholics go to mass they hear a reading from the Old Testament, they say or sing one of the Psalms, then they listen to a reading from the epistles, then a gospel reading.

The whole structure fits together so the communion service is focused on Christ in the gospels.

Catholics follow a three year cycle of Scripture reading so a Catholic who goes to church faithfully will--over the three years--hear almost all of the Bible read.

Furthermore, the responses, and the words of the communion service are almost all from Scripture. So a church-going Catholic does know and use Scripture--its just that he uses it primarily for meditation and worship (Ps.119.48)--not for personal information and instruction.

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Edited by - JohnF on Jun 07 2008 01:34:35 AM
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avila
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USA
81 Posts

Posted - Jun 16 2008 :  03:01:02 AM  Show Profile Send avila a Private Message
The Lord communes with me privately through His Word on a regular basis as does the Trinity and the Family of God
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BARBAQUED
Mary's Servant



USA
454 Posts

Posted - Jun 16 2008 :  4:42:42 PM  Show Profile Send BARBAQUED a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ken G
[b][i]76 In keeping with the Lord's command, the Gospel was handed on in two ways:

- orally
- in writing "Ken G



Thanks Ken, I thought this string died for lack of interest. Well you are absolutely correct in what you are writing, but I would like to add: The full version of the Catholic Holy Bible has been edited by many Protestants. I find it interesting how anyone can follow Sola Scriptura when the bible they use is missing so much information. I really enjoy this Holy book, the Lord speaks to us forever and always, He is the living God and such He is not silent.

As far as Catholics using the Bible, of course we do. Every time we go to Holy Mass, but what about on our own? This past week I was at a workshop done by Danny Abramowicz, he was talking about the first time he attended a bible study, he opened his bible and it made that new book crack sound! Super funny, but very true, we have Gods presence in His word. We need to use it every day. Scripture is food for our soul because it contains the breath of God.
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BARBAQUED
Mary's Servant



USA
454 Posts

Posted - Nov 03 2008 :  3:21:19 PM  Show Profile Send BARBAQUED a Private Message
Just finishing a class on Letters of St. Paul. Part of the teaching was on how scripture was considered for the Holy Bible. Scripture flows from the mother church not to the church.
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avila
Postulant



USA
81 Posts

Posted - Nov 07 2008 :  9:18:15 PM  Show Profile Send avila a Private Message
St Jerome had said "Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ
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BARBAQUED
Mary's Servant



USA
454 Posts

Posted - Nov 10 2008 :  5:10:17 PM  Show Profile Send BARBAQUED a Private Message
Has anyone ever challenged you about salvation? Why is Jesus is the door? What about the Jews? I have been thinking about the Jews and their road to salvation. Jesus is the way; Jesus is the word of God made flesh. The Torah is the word of God the Torah is Jesus.
Comments?
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avila
Postulant



USA
81 Posts

Posted - Nov 14 2008 :  12:52:00 PM  Show Profile Send avila a Private Message
The jews read the Scriptures pre Calvary and according to the OT. Since the Passover Covenant is everlasting, it is interesting that the Lord should honor this covenant .
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BARBAQUED
Mary's Servant



USA
454 Posts

Posted - Nov 14 2008 :  8:05:57 PM  Show Profile Send BARBAQUED a Private Message
The Lord continues to honor all of His covenants. He is as He was as He will always be. Isn't that fantastic? Through Christ we are heirs of Abraham.
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BARBAQUED
Mary's Servant



USA
454 Posts

Posted - Nov 14 2008 :  8:33:02 PM  Show Profile Send BARBAQUED a Private Message
We sing it in the Mass today, as our ancestors in faith sang it in the liturgy of ancient, earthly Jerusalm: " The Lord will remember His covenant forever!" from Swear to God by Scott Hahn
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avila
Postulant



USA
81 Posts

Posted - Nov 15 2008 :  4:44:04 PM  Show Profile Send avila a Private Message
Without the temple sacrifices, how do the jews keep the OT covenants as far as sin goes. They do quote OT psalms and scriptures that the Lord does not want holocausts and sacrifices, but allude to atonement and a changed heart, but without the need for the cross.
They do keep the Passover with it's symbolism, the cup of redemption, the hagaddah, the spilling of the red wine on the white plate, some eat the lamb, others do not. The Last Supper of Jesus was a Passover wherein the eucharist was instituted, an intertwining so to speak. What of the secular and athiestic jews coming from secular and athiestic societies who's ancestors were forced to abandon their beliefs or their childrem taught by the state. This is a most fascinating aspect of the covenants to me
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