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Stormy
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 Posted - Feb 25 2008 : 9:10:22 PM
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http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=5790
Stricter rules for Mass including disallowing taking Communion in the hand and time limits on homilies may soon be initiated by the Vatican.
DPA reports that Secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship Archbishop Albert Malcolm Ranjith Patabendige Don was quoted in Italian newspaper La Stampa saying that the moves were necessary to eliminate "extravagancies".
Provisions include restricting to 10 minutes homilies and ensuring they be exclusively based on the Gospel readings.
Archbishop Ranjith was also quoted as saying the practice of allowing the faithful to receive Communion in their hands would be "urgently reviewed".
"The Vatican wants the host placed directly into the mouths of the faithful so they don't touch it (with their hands)because many don't even realize they are receiving Christ and do this with scant concentration and respect," Archbishop Ranjith said.
The distribution of communion on the hands has been widespread since Vatican II.
However, Ranjith said the practice was "illegally and hastily introduced by certain elements of the Church immediately after the Council".
"Some people keep hosts with them as a sort of souvenir, others sell them while in some cases the hosts have been taken away to be used in blasphemous Satanic rituals," he said.
Ranjith said the measures to bring back "dignity and decorum" to Mass celebrations were in line with Pope Benedict's wishes.
Since the release of the articelo on Monday, Archibshop Ranjith denied the report by La Stampa saying on Vatican Radio that no new Mass regulations were envisaged.
"The article published on Monday by Turin daily La Stampa contained a collage of phrases citing him (Ranjith) that led to conclusions which were out of place," a Vatican Radio broadcaster said.
Archbishop Ranjith has now denied any plans are afoot, saying instead on Vatican Radio "the hope is that the existing norms will be regularly applied and that the Eucharist be celebrated with devotion, seriousness and nobility."
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Vatican to 'review' taking of Communion in the hand (Earth Times 25/02/08)
Vatican official denies report on communion in the hand (Earth Times 25/02/08)
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Going to Communion every day for so many years! Anybody else would be a saint by now, you told me, and I ... I'm always the same! Son, I replied, keep up your daily Communion, and think: what would I be if I had not gone?
-- St. Josemaria Escriva: The Way
Come Holy Spirit ...Come by the means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved Spouse.
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Antonio A
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Posted - Feb 25 2008 : 11:54:54 PM
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Stormy,
Apparently Divine Worship Archbishop Albert Malcolm Ranjith Patabendige, denied today that any changes are coming at all!
Antonio A. Obregón |
Edited by - Antonio A on Feb 25 2008 11:55:21 PM |
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GScheid
Mary's Servant
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Posted - Feb 29 2008 : 10:19:14 AM
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Here's the word from Rome:
http://www.adoremus.org/1101Communionhand.html
Online Edition - Vol. VII, No. 8: November 2001Letter from Holy See to American Bishops
Communion in the Hand
Following is the letter of April 3, 1985, from the Congregation for Divine Worship (Archbishop Augustin Mayer) to the National Conference of Catholic Bishops (Bishop James Malone, president) [Prot. 720/85] approving Communion in the hand and giving basic instructions for how it is to be administered and received:
Your Excellency:
The Holy See, since 1969, while maintaining the traditional manner of distributing communion, has granted to those Episcopal Conferences that have requested it, the faculty of distributing communion by placing the host in the hands of the faithful.... It would seem opportune to draw attention to the following points:
1. Communion in the hand should show, as much as communion on the tongue, due respect towards the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. For this reason emphasis should be laid, as was done by the Fathers of the Church, upon the dignity of the gesture of the communicant. Thus, the newly baptized at the end of the fourth century were directed to stretch out both hands making "the left hand a throne for the right hand, which receives the King" (Fifth mystagogical catechesis of Cyril of Jerusalem, n. 21: PG 33. col 1125, or Sources chretiennes, 126, p 171; Saint John Chrysostom, Homily 47: PG 63, col. 898. etc.).*
* In practice the opposite direction has to be given to the faithful: the left hand is to be placed upon the right hand, so that the sacred host can be conveyed to the mouth with the right hand.
2. Again following the teaching of the Fathers, insistence is to be laid upon the importance of the Amen said in response to the formula of the minister, "the Body of Christ"; this Amen is an affirmation of faith: "Cum ergo petieris, dicit tibi sacerdos `Corpus Christi' et tu dicis 'Amen', hoc est 'verum'; quod confitetur lingua, teneat afectus" (Saint Ambrose, De Sacramentis 4, 25: SC 25 bis, p 116).
3. The communicant who has received the Eucharist in the hand is to consume it before returning to his place, moving aside yet remaining facing the altar in order to allow the person following to approach the minister.
4. It is from the Church that the faithful receive the Holy Eucharist, which is communion in the Body of the Lord and in the Church; for this reason the communicant should not take from the paten or container, as would be done for ordinary bread, but the hands must be stretched out to receive from the minister of communion.
5. Out of respect for the Eucharist, cleanliness of hands is expected. Children need to be reminded of this.
6. It is necessary that the faithful receive sound catechesis in this matter, and that insistence be laid upon the sentiments of adoration and respect that are required towards this most holy sacrament. (cf. Dominicae cenae, n. 11). Care must be taken that fragments of the consecrated host are not lost (cf. Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, May 2, 1972: Prot: no. 89/71, in Notitiae 1972, p. 227).
7. The faithful are not to be obliged to adopt the practice of communion in the hand. Each one is free to communicate in one way or the other.
These norms and those indicated in the documents cited above are designed to recall the duty of respect for the Eucharist and apply independently of the way in which communion is received.
Those who have the care of souls should insist not only upon the necessary dispositions for the fruitful reception of communion, which in certain instances demands recourse to the sacrament of Reconciliation, but also upon an external attitude which conveys a sense of respect in general and expresses in particular the belief of the faithful in the Eucharist.
From the Congregation for Divine Worship, April 3, 1985.
+ Augustin Mayer, OSB -- Prefect
“Everyone needs thirty minutes of personal prayer time each day, unless they are too busy to pray—in which case, they need an hour!”
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Stormy
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Posted - Mar 01 2008 : 09:25:02 AM
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Yes Communion in the mouth has always been the "Norm", but the Lib Bishops do not care. What this news story was saying is that B-16 is going to drop the hammer and say no more in the hand.
Personally I think this "leak" was on purpose.....They are saying ...No No He never said that now. Just to see what the reaction would be.
Major media never picked it up......It will be the decisive action by the Vatican that will split the Church (which we all know is coming). That and the 5th Dogma.
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Going to Communion every day for so many years! Anybody else would be a saint by now, you told me, and I ... I'm always the same! Son, I replied, keep up your daily Communion, and think: what would I be if I had not gone?
-- St. Josemaria Escriva: The Way
Come Holy Spirit ...Come by the means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved Spouse. |
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Antonio A
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Posted - Mar 06 2008 : 11:19:23 PM
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Stormy,
I don't care how many strict rules Rome hands out. As long as we have a liberal dying breed of priests still in control of the liturgy, their lack of humility makes it impossible for them to "change" and make the liturgy truly sacred. I believe the Mass will become what it was meant to be, solemn and beautiful, when the new John Paul II priests take over the Church as pastors of parishes and as bishops.
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Edited by - Antonio A on Mar 06 2008 11:20:24 PM |
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Stormy
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Posted - Mar 11 2008 : 2:48:45 PM
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Originally posted by Antonio A
Stormy,
I don't care how many strict rules Rome hands out. As long as we have a liberal dying breed of priests still in control of the liturgy, their lack of humility makes it impossible for them to "change" and make the liturgy truly sacred. I believe the Mass will become what it was meant to be, solemn and beautiful, when the new John Paul II priests take over the Church as pastors of parishes and as bishops.
Antonio A. Obregón
Maybe thats why the Boss is coming over the big pond .......To rap a couple heads that need to be rapped.
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Going to Communion every day for so many years! Anybody else would be a saint by now, you told me, and I ... I'm always the same! Son, I replied, keep up your daily Communion, and think: what would I be if I had not gone?
-- St. Josemaria Escriva: The Way
Come Holy Spirit ...Come by the means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved Spouse. |
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Pro-life Sarah
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Posted - Mar 15 2008 : 7:18:27 PM
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I for one made my first Communion receiving on the hand....and received Jesus that way for 10+ years....I didn't know any different actually....but when I visited my boyfriend's house back in 1995 almost 1996, I found that many in his family (two parents together and nine children)receive on the tongue. Thus began my journey of reflection and change. It's now so super awkward to receive on the hands when someone who is distributing Communion doesn't get that two hands folded in prayer means I receive on the tongue. I've been receiving that way for years now, and wouldn't have it any other way. I will teach my children the habit and hope they choose to do the same. It seems mankind (or humankind if there are any who really care about terminology) has lost its place in the overall spectrum of things. We are small....but we forget I guess..... just how awesome a God to lower Himself to become man and later to a piece of consecrated Host so that we can consume Him.... I think the knowledge of the reverence necessary has faded away over the years to such a point that those who try to receive on the tongue are not just the minority but are often thought of as overzealous "religious nuts." At least that's the feeling I get....and goodness knows I vaciliate in my relationship with God just as anybody else, so I'm certainly not overly zealous - just trying to remember my place and His. I hope the Vatican does change it back and I hope prayer can stop the schism that appears to be happening. It's scary to think about really....
Anyway, does anyone else who receives on the tongue have any way to make it so lay Eucharistic ministers don't flinch or second guess when you approach with your hands in prayer? Just curious. I usually just point up or stick my tongue out, but it makes me feel sheepish when I know I shouldn't....
Take Care and God Bless,
Sarah
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Pro-life Sarah
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Posted - Mar 15 2008 : 7:19:30 PM
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Oh, and by the way...that's the boyfriend that became the husband after 6.5 years of dating! :)
Take Care and God Bless,
Sarah
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Stormy
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Posted - Mar 15 2008 : 7:53:57 PM
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Originally posted by Pro-life Sarah
Anyway, does anyone else who receives on the tongue have any way to make it so lay Eucharistic ministers don't flinch or second guess when you approach with your hands in prayer? Just curious. I usually just point up or stick my tongue out, but it makes me feel sheepish when I know I shouldn't....
Take Care and God Bless,
Sarah
Please say one Hail Mary a day for the intentions all forum members
Yes.... Make sure you get in the line for the Priest. It takes planning sometimes....Had one Priest that used to switch sides every week.....Until we started switching lines going up.
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Going to Communion every day for so many years! Anybody else would be a saint by now, you told me, and I ... I'm always the same! Son, I replied, keep up your daily Communion, and think: what would I be if I had not gone?
-- St. Josemaria Escriva: The Way
Come Holy Spirit ...Come by the means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved Spouse. |
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Posted - Mar 15 2008 : 9:27:32 PM
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If you notice the Asians they go up to recieve communion with their arms folded, there is no way a Lay person can miss that.
Grace Mizzi
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Send Oh Lord Holy Apostles into your church“Christ has no body but yours, no hands butyours, no feet but yours.Yours are the eyes through which Christ’scompassion must look upon the world.Yours are the feet with which He is to go about
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Pro-life Sarah
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Posted - Mar 16 2008 : 07:53:04 AM
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Both good ideas! Thanks. I usually sit on the side in case the girls have a melt down. The priest isn't near that aisle. He always takes the middle. That's an easy fix.... I'll just sit in the middle! :)
Take Care and God Bless,
Sarah
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shellcake
Mary's Servant
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Posted - Mar 16 2008 : 2:20:43 PM
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It would be nice to see some strict rules.
I receive on the tongue and the EMHCs at our church seem to find this really difficult. There is no paten for some reason so I have had some dodgy moments.
I have noticed that a lot of people are beginning to receive on the tongue. I wonder if people are becoming more aware of the abuses and this is a symbolic gesture of respect for Our Lord.
I also wonder what effect Papa Beni's visit to your side of the Pond will have on this one.
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Tee
Mary's Servant
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Posted - Mar 16 2008 : 10:27:30 PM
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When I attended Mass in Italy everyone there recieved on the tongue, so when I came in I was unaware that you could take it in the hand. (This is the way my oldest was taught and still recieves this way.) For me it just felt unnatural to recieve in the hand I tried it once and it just felt all wrong to me. :) I can remember my friend Patrizia getting really upset when I tried to take it in the hand as a kid and then starting to chew! (I wasn't catholic then, but I think I'm forgiven now. I just didn't know better and poor Patrizia had no idea there were noncatholics in the world! LOL) Anyway, I kind of like the old fashioned ways that I witnessed in Italy. It was pretty awsome. I sooo LOVE being catholic! lol
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Antonio A
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Posted - Mar 18 2008 : 10:40:14 PM
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Stormy,
"Maybe that's why the Boss is coming over the big pond .......To rap a couple heads that need to be rapped."
And he should begin with the bishops who have ignored his Motu Proprio!
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Edited by - Antonio A on Mar 18 2008 10:40:49 PM |
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BARBAQUED
Mary's Servant
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Posted - Mar 19 2008 : 2:06:56 PM
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| When the Lord said this is my body take it and eat it, in memory of me, He didn’t place on the tongue of His disciples He passed it to them. Taken either by the hand or by the mouth the Eucharist is Christ. If we truly believe it then ask yourself why we aren’t all daily communicants. In many parishes an amazing opportunity exists in adoration. He is there. |
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Pro-life Sarah
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Posted - Mar 20 2008 : 07:22:27 AM
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Good point. But other than the falters from humaness, those Apostles really believed that Jesus is Lord - they gave Him the time and RESPECT he deserves. Too many don't do that here and now....and receiving on the hands has led to more disrespect as the outward sign of reverance is removed, the inner hearts and habits of many respond in the same way....also human nature....
Take Care and God Bless,
Sarah
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